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I'm so excited to have
Andy Grant on today.

Andy, you are doing some very important
work with men and masculinity.

All the things that are
very dear to my heart.

So before we get all into it,
I want to have everybody know

just a little bit about you.

Share you, I, I know what I wanna
say about you, but I want you to

say what you wanna say about you.

Oh, that's a, that's always a challenge.

Let's see.

Yeah, I'm Andy Grant,
you're correct there.

And I am an author, a coach, an
energy worker, a podcast host.

Let's see.

I've hosted Real Men Feel
my podcast for 10 years now.

Yeah.

And I help successful men.

Feel successful often called the
success trap, guys that check all

the boxes of success and achievement,
but inside they feel empty and hollow

because I was that hollow empty guy.

Everything I do with clients, with
listeners with everybody I meet

are tools and techniques that, that
I learned to truly save my life.

I grew up battling depression, suicidal
thoughts, survived multiple attempts,

and that's really what fuels everything
I do to attempt to be of service today.

I love that, and there's so many reasons
I wanted to have this conversation with

you, but there are very few people that
I've crossed paths with in my life that

can truly have a conversation about the
disconnect between success and internally.

That really leads down that road of
suicidal ideation, suicidal attempts.

It's such a heavy topic,
and you're one of 'em.

You're one of the people who
can handle that heaviness, and I

know you've made it your life's
mission to really close the gap.

And so let's talk about that piece
where there's this disconnect

and this void that's inside.

How do people even begin to notice that?

The biggest tell I find is
that feeling of numbness.

Of other people perhaps saying,
what a great job you did, or look

at everything and you're like, yeah.

But privately alone, you're like, so what?

What does it mean?

And for me, and for a lot of guys, it's
doing things because society, family, pop

culture says that's what a man should do.

But if it's not doing things.

That mean anything to you that bring any
depth to you, then it's just performative.

It's just going through the motions.

And so many guys I meet at all ages,
like the midlife crisis can happen in

any decade of life, but there are so many
guys that just I don't even know who I am.

And it's quite and was for me, it's
quite possible for many of them

that they never knew who they were.

But as the years go by, as perhaps you're
thinking you're witnessing your mortality

or there's been a health scare or the end
of a relationship, usually something kicks

off a period of deeper introspection.

Because guys, especially high
achieving guys, successful guys it's

just do, do, do never time to exhale.

Yeah.

Never,

never time to feel.

I often tell people, we're
human beings, not human doings.

And so that idea of being with yourself
can sometimes be so overwhelming when

there's that void and there gap there.

How many conversations are you
having with men about these things?

Oh Lord I've never tried to count that.

Yeah.

Just the Real Men Feel Podcast
alone is at episode 400.

Yeah.

And yeah, I don't know how many
hundreds of guys I've talked to.

Yeah.

Yeah, I just, for me, I, when I start
to talk, I'm madly in love with men,

Andy, and I find that there's this
cultural piece where we're really

hating on men in a big way as a society.

And I want to steer away from
that and really get back to.

I want men to fall in love with themselves
and want to be in love with their life.

And I get very worried about that societal
piece of women are over-functioning,

and women this and women that, without
acknowledging that men need support and

love and connection, not just attention,
but connection to explore these things.

And when I speak to men.

It's often very private.

I'm in the Western states with
high rates of suicide, high rates

of gun use and gun availability.

And men often think they're
the only people on the planet.

They're the only one that
are experiencing this.

And I think you and I both know this is
like a universal, there are thousands

of men who are going through this.

Yeah.

One of the biggest and easiest things for
a man to do is to find other men a men's

group, a church group, an online group,
the Mankind Project, the Good Men Project.

My, I have a community
called Authentic af.

There is a poet, I think it's a,
it's the author of iron John, a poet.

I think he said that there's a
certain song that males sells, sing.

So men need to be around other men.

Not saying Suck it up, man up.

Not that nonsense.

But in men's groups, I see the
competitive nature of men kick off in

such a positive way when one man opens
up and shares what he's going through

and slowly other guys, well, me too,
or I lived through that last year, or,

that's one of the things I'm afraid of.

Right?

Yeah.

Men want to provide to
protect your support, but they

won't do it for themselves.

Unless they're really invited in
to that quote unquote, safe space.

Because I find one of the biggest
fears in men is being rejected.

Having the tribe of other men turn on you.

Right.

To be seen as less than.

Yeah.

And that keeps guys quiet.

Yeah.

So where does vulnerability
fall into that?

Like men struggle with being vulnerable
in case they're gonna be rejected.

And so when one opens up,
they are like modeling.

Is that sort of how you see And they're
giving permission to everyone else?

Yeah.

To also serve that.

I've never, like I've, I once led
a spiritual support group where

men got to share like the most woo
woo crazy things they never could.

And a guy shared about how.

Someone else's soul came into his
daughter's body and it took years

to figure out that was going.

And another guy goes, that happened to me.

I was in the hospital and I felt
some other being come into me because

I was, you know, I had died on the
table and I came back and there was

someone else trying to live in my body.

I'm like, and they were both, they
couldn't they it took bravery for them

to each admit it and then that they found
someone in person that been through a

similar situation that was the most,
you know, rare, craziest, most out there

experience I've had with people and
then that that two guys that had that

experience too just was astounding.

Sure.

There's nothing that any of us can go
through that someone else isn't also

going through that perhaps millions of
people haven't already gone through.

And there is a way through it.

Say more about that, the way through
it, because that to me, I'm from

the culture of Get Over It and
I'm a therapist, you know this.

I've always said you don't get
over it, you get through it,

but what's the way through?

What's your advice for men?

What are your tangible skills
of getting through something?

Yeah.

Be willing to be wrong.

Ooh.

So many men would rather
be right than be happy.

And sometimes in life you
could be right and happy.

But when I believe that being right was
more important, I was usually miserable.

And too many guys again, they don't
wanna be seen as weak as less than.

It, there's a vulnerability,
there's a risk.

But when a guy can be honest with
himself, raise that integrity, I am

afraid to be vulnerable because I'm
afraid where fear is driving the show.

Yeah.

But if you, if I often say that the
bravest thing you can do is ask for help.

Again, and that you can't get
help, you can't receive help.

You can't ask for help unless
you're willing to be wrong.

Right?

I grew up thinking that
life sucks, then you die.

And when I finally got
over that, I was like, yay.

Thank God.

They're like, no, life is
meant to be magnificent.

Yeah.

I want joy to be synonymous with muscular.

Not stoicism, not shutting it down,
not denying yourself, but the, so

the simplest way through things
is really by leaning into it.

Be willing to feel, be willing to
be wrong, be willing to try things.

I, multiple suicide attempts,
I followed the traditional

medical model do not work for me.

And I thought that meant I was hopeless.

But sure.

There are so many opportunities.

There's so many other things to explore.

This is a, this magical globe, this
magical rock we're on spinning through

space, the, there, there's so many
opportunities, especially now it any

new solution is in such close reach.

But you've gotta be
willing to reach for it.

Love that, to realize that you
are worth feeling better, right?

Yeah.

You're, nobody is here by accident
and nobody, I used to believe

I was just this meat suit.

And I, my, it was brain chemistry.

That was all my problems and solutions.

No, we're way more than that.

Yeah.

One of the things that I'm hearing
you say is that part of living life is

also having a full range of emotion.

So it's not just the middle lane
of numbness, but it's joy and

working through tough feelings
and getting through all of that.

So on the other side of it, you have
this sort of peace, contentment, joy

piece where you can really enjoy your
life and not just check the boxes.

Yeah.

If we put a limit on our emotional range,
on the negative side or the positive

side it tightens the whole range.

Sure.

I've often heard that, you know, guys are
allowed to be angry, horny, and hungry.

Yeah.

That's it.

Yeah.

And that there's so much, life is
rich, you know, I'm not encouraging

everyone to have a bipolar experience,
but life is a rollercoaster.

There will always be ups and downs.

Yeah.

And for me, once I could.

Wow.

Be comfortable in my own skin.

Once I could love myself.

My highs were higher than prior highs,
and my lows were higher than prior highs.

Yeah,

right.

So that rollercoaster can have
an overall upward trajectory.

Love that.

Like

we're always gonna have ups and downs.

Love that.

So a couple things.

You said you're, I am very much in the
world of veterans and PTSD and things

never get better and I've been trained
in the medical model and you and I both

know it has its perks, but there are a
lot of cons and not everybody gets better.

We're really treating a lot
of symptoms and so many of my

people are exploring psychedelic.

Treatment, ketamine treatment,
alternate treatments.

And so I wanna talk a little bit about
what sort of experiences you have, what

are some recommendations if people want to
figure out other optional treatments that

are not connected to that medical model.

What do you suggest?

The best things that I have found
are from the modern mystery school.

It's a lineage a traumatic lineage.

The healings, the traditions
go back over 3000 years.

Yeah.

And I have tried lots of different things.

I don't re, I only recommend
what I felt worked for me.

Sure.

And my path has lo brought me to that.

But it's energy work.

It's truly bringing in more
light into our physical body.

It's lighting up our spiritual
DDNA as well as our physical DNA.

And, but I have I've done psychedelics.

I've done ayahuasca.

I spent time with Scientology.

Like I, once I was, once I decided I
wanna live, I was willing to try anything,

everything to help me live better.

Yeah.

So people wanna find this information out.

Where do they find that?

My people are not gonna have do they
just Google Modern School, Andy Grant?

Like how did that, truly give me
a play by play of what, how people

find this kind of information.

Yeah.

So it's the modern mystery school.

If you search for that, you'll find them.

It's an international organization.

Whew.

I received, so I was always into
energy work and I became a coach back

in 2010, and I met someone that said,
oh, you're gonna meet my friend.

She does this thing
called life activation.

I'm like, great, I like trying new things.

So I did a life activation.

Didn't know what it meant.

But I was compelled, I did a before and
after video for the first time in my life.

Oh, wow.

And five minutes into this thing, I
am still remember thinking so clearly

I don't know what she's doing, but I
know I'm gonna learn how to do this.

Yeah.

And that was my first experience
with the modern mystery school.

I didn't know, I had heard of mystery
schools, like growing up, like on in

search of, or something like that.

So there were seven
ancient mystery schools.

This is one of them.

And it opened to the public
in the nineties because Okay.

People were ready.

So I've since learned to be a
life activation practitioner

and many other modalities.

I'm a certified teacher healer and
ritual master with the school I've been

involved with the school for 10 years
now, but there are people all around

the planet offering life activation and
more, but it begins with life activation.

Love that.

This is great.

Thank you.

So my next part of my question is.

How do women support men?

I know I have to ask that question.

I feel like it's my duty
to ask that question.

I hear from a number of guys that women
say they want them to feel and open up,

and then when they do, there's a backlash.

A hundred percent.

See that in all the
couples work that I do.

I support you in this.

Okay.

Carry on.

So yeah, don't ask for
something you're not sure.

You can receive and handle.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

Because, and if you are dealing
with a guy that has never opened

up, it can be messy at the start.

Yeah.

But it doesn't mean you're gonna
have this, I recommend men to feel,

that doesn't mean I recommend you
walking around sobbing every day.

Sure.

But you might have times like that
if you've got a whole history of

trauma that's never been addressed.

You pop that balloon,
it all comes out fast.

Yeah.

So encourage women to, if they
wanna support their men, if

they want guys to feel and be
healing, be prepared for the mess.

It doesn't mean they'll
always be that way, but Yeah.

Don't pro, and this goes for anybody.

Don't promise something
you, you can't deliver on.

Sure.

But you wanna hold that space, be
as free as judgment as possible.

Know that as someone.

Finally let's go of everything
they've been holding onto.

It's might be, you'll be seeing different
aspects and sides of the guy in your life.

Again, none of those are permanent.

Not they've been in hiding.

As they see the light, as they
get expressed, they will change.

It won't be that bad for years and years.

This is a question I get in a
lot of couples counseling, so

I'm curious what your take is.

Do women need to fix men's feelings?

No.

And I don't know how they could,

right.

So it's that it, none of us can own
the feelings, the reactions of others.

All people need to realize that they are
in control of how they think and feel.

To all this notion of, you made me
feel this, you made me feel that.

Like no.

Like actions have consequences,
but people have choice.

One of the biggest things.

Growing up, I was labeled bipolar
at like age 13, just because

I had a family history of it.

And I just thought this is just crazy.

Sure.

Yeah.

We are responsible for
our feelings and emotions.

I was taught growing up that, again, brain
chemistry was the root of everything.

But thoughts, feelings, and actions.

That's what makes up our life.

Sure.

And when they are in alignment, you
can have a really fantastic life.

But I was often afraid
of taking ownership.

'cause I thought
responsibility meant blame.

But until we take ownership, until I'm
willing to be responsible for how I feel

I can't change anything.

If human beings were truly, if our
emotional wellbeing and ups and downs

were truly controlled by everybody else

We, we wouldn't be human beings.

We wouldn't have free will.

We don't, we'd have no
sovereignty over our existence.

True.

No agency.

But it's easier to give up that power.

Yeah.

Then to live in alignment, to focus on
your own integrity, to do the healing.

Yeah.

To that point, many of the men I love
and adore and work with, when they

do start to open the door of feeling
those suicidal thoughts come with it.

Yeah.

It feels so heavy.

It's so weighted.

And what I tell people often is
a feeling of suicidal is very

different than a plan of suicide.

Correct.

That was okay.

Yeah.

Thoughts, right?

Thoughts are all too common.

Yes.

I,

I've only met a couple people that
claim to have lived their life without

ever having a suicidal thought.

Yeah.

Right.

And I think that, say that one more time.

I think that's really important
because there's so much stigma.

Stigma around just the thought.

I've had suicidal thoughts.

I'm a therapist with the 25
years of experience and I've

still had suicidal thoughts.

So I think it's important
to normalize that happens.

It is a normal it's a thought.

And any of our thoughts, any
of our attempted solutions,

it's our best idea at the time.

Sure.

Now in a time of pain and trauma and
you feel like, you know, hopeless

and helpless and there's no solution,
there's no light in the tunnel.

The tunnel is closing in on me.

A thought.

A, it's always a possibility.

Yeah.

I could, wow.

I could just end my life then, right?

Yeah.

And that the thought is fine.

When it becomes a plan.

When it becomes a course of action,
that's now you're crossing the red line.

Now it's really dangerous, but, you
know, and often I. At first, I realized

I felt better after a suicide attempt.

Then it took, then eventually, thank
God, I realized, no, it was actually

just talking about it, not keeping it to
myself, was also the release, the venting.

Right?

So I've called suicide support lines.

I've told friends, and in high school,
my big fear was if people knew how dark

my thoughts were, I, they would all run.

So oftentimes the most supportive
thing you can do is just to listen

to someone just go, I hear you.

Yeah.

And you don't need to solve it.

You can't own it.

Just don't run away.

Don't be scared of it.

Yeah.

Don't be scared of it.

And retreat.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You don't need to fix somebody else, and
I don't believe you can fix somebody else.

Yeah.

All healing is self-healing.

I love that.

And therapists or energy workers,
all that, everybody's just assisting

the client in healing themselves.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I always say there's this illusion that
even as a therapist, you have control.

We don't have control
over anyone but ourselves.

That's right.

And I think the longer you're
in the business of helping

people heal, you know that.

Like it's on them to heal.

We're just guiding that piece.

Yeah.

Love that.

But yeah, but our nature, we.

Momentum, even the momentum of apathy

Has a weight, has some heft to it.

So again, that's why it, to make changes,
it takes new conscious effort to make

a change, to think better of yourself,
to be willing to feel everything

that you've been burying for years.

Love that.

Talk to me a little bit about
the dance between femininity

and masculinity, in your view.

Like they say it's a dance 'cause.

Yeah.

No, nobody is all feminine.

Nobody is all masculine.

And when people attempt to be either of
those, it just it's a distorted mess.

Yeah.

But masculine and feminine
energy is in everything.

It's the art of creation
and we are creative beings.

Yeah.

So it takes both, but it's a
dance and it's not a static dance.

It's a very dynamic dance.

Absolutely.

It can slow, some can speed
up, but yeah, we, the more.

Fluidity of emotion, of thought,
of willingness to be, to step

into different roles, different
archetypes, different energies.

The more full of a life we all can lead.

To me, the more I sit with men, the more
I feel myself recognizing how political

feminism and masculinity, I say those
words intentionally are pitted against

each other, and I just think people
like you and I are really starting to

pull the smokescreen back and say, wait
a minute, they're all a piece of us.

Yeah.

What are your thoughts on that?

No you're right on.

And the biggest and easiest way to
make a movement, political, social,

whatever, is to have an other

And everything I don't
like is their fault.

Sure.

It's women's fault.

It's immigrant's fault,
like whatever it is.

It's, again, it's easier to lay
the blame than take responsibility.

Yeah.

But men and women,
masculinity and femininity.

One is not more important than the other.

One truly cannot exist
without the other true.

We are all in this together.

You began the show.

We're my, we're human beings, right?

Yeah.

Before men and women human right there.

There's a unity there.

There's a divinity that
too often gets ignored.

But yeah, it's easy.

And I see this so many times for guys that
they'll feel hurt or portrayed by a woman.

And they blame all women.

And I see that go both ways too.

Of

course.

Yeah.

And again, that's where, again,
the willingness to be wrong.

Yeah.

Had one bad experience.

It doesn't mean every type of that
experience, every type of that

person you engage with is wrong or
bad, or will always be that way.

Yeah.

If we lived our lives that way from
day one, nobody would know how to walk.

Oh, just walking.

Oh, I fell down now.

It's not worth it.

I'm not gonna bother all those adults.

They're keeping me small,

yeah.

No,

no.

I'll be crawling around still.

I love that.

So give me two or three tangible tips if
people are listening to this and they're

thinking, I want to not be numb anymore.

I want to start feeling, or I am
starting to feel, and it's a disaster.

What are some things, being part
of our body, getting back into our

body, that's a huge piece, right?

Oh yeah.

What, what are two or three tips that
you share with people that just say,

so start there.

Yeah.

Movement is always

better.

And

what kind of movement, Andy,

you froze.

Do you have specific,

I lose you.

Oh, I have you.

Are you there?

Oh.

I hear you again now.

Okay, now we, here we are.

You froze too.

That was weird.

Okay.

Movement.

So tell me like what kind of
movement do you recommend?

Yeah, all movement is good.

Yeah.

Even just a simple walk, but again,
especially when you're talking about

the motivation, the heaviness of
apathy, of depression, of sadness.

You can move through that.

Alright, so one of my
secret weapons is skipping.

Ah,

when I was,

I, we talk about skipping so much.

Please say more.

Oh, great.

Yeah.

When I'm sa sad when I'm even just feeling
a little down, not sure I will skip to

my mailbox and I can't skip and feel bad.

Another great tip is a, just a rebounder.

You like that moment of the peak
of a fall, the peak of that, that

rise before you come back down and
moment of weightlessness there.

There's a joy in that, right?

It's like a kid's being on a swing.

The height of the swing of that arc.
Oh, and I can't stay in a bad mood.

That, that, so physical movement
begets energetic movement and

emotional movement, right?

Love that.

Emotions are energy in motion.

Everything's meant to flow.

When we label it, when we say we resist
it, we deny it we keep things stuck

and that's when we go off course.

But in addition to simple
movement, one of my favorite

things to recommend is journaling.

Now I had therapists tell me
to journal for decades, and I

thought, ridiculous that this is
I'm the, my little princess diary.

This is something little
10-year-old girls do.

I'm not doing it.

Yeah,

then I finally was tired.

So sick and tired of feeling bad.

I'm willing to try new things, willing
to be wrong, and journaling is one

of the most powerful things because
it lets you witness your own thoughts

and emotions, so it lets you separate.

Yeah, and I've been doing a
gratitude journal and regular

journaling, boy 22 years I think.

Wow.

Do you physically write, do you type?

Yes.

Okay.

No.

So yeah, there, there's something.

Primal, more organic, more real long
hand pen to paper, to get started.

If you're resistant to that, you
don't wanna talk it into your phone.

But the worst place for our
thoughts is only in our head

a hundred percent

express it, verbally express it in
writing, but simple journaling, just,

and I'll even, I call it vent booking.

When the journal I hate, like
you just put out all your bile.

Destroy that, like that wouldn't,
I wouldn't make a nice leather

bound volume of everything I
despise and hate in my life.

But it sometimes can be important
to, if you think being positive

is a scam, then be negative.

I love

it.

Give that somewhere to go.

Rumination is the worst possible place.

And again, for people.

My first book was about positive
affirmations because I was shocked that

they, I got a benefit from them, but
we're all lying to ourselves all the time.

So might as well take a, take
consciousness and put a positive

spin in that and lie about things
you would like to happen, things

you would like to see in your life.

This is great.

Instead of, 'cause my biggest voice
for longest time was that, that critic,

yeah,

you suck.

You can't do it wrong, just give up.

It's no use.

And once you realize, journaling
helps 'em realize all the lies

that happen in my own thoughts,
then I can choose to turn 'em in.

If I'm lying to myself, I
might as well make better lies.

More positive, fun lies,

vent booking.

Love it.

That's good.

So movement, journaling,
anything else that you would

Oh, there's add to that lot.

So yeah, there's so much.

I know you, I talked to
affirmations, so one, one other.

And while I love journaling and
affirmations, there's no barrier to entry.

You can have not a two nickels to
rub together and do these things.

But one aspect of affirmations
that I really like is mirror work.

It's just look at your
own face in the mirror.

Try to hold your own gaze.

Look at yourself in your eyes.

I couldn't do that when I started.

And then when you can hold your
gaze, say, Andy, use your name.

I love you.

And your ability or inability to
do that really tells you where

your most beneficial work might be

so powerful.

And I find positive affirmations,
they should feel a little challenging.

If you can just rifle through 50
positive thing, great things about you,

then they're not challenging enough.

So the ones I couldn't even say, like
again, look at myself, say, I love

you, you know your life is great.

I blah, blah.

I was like, no, it's a good Lord.

And alright, there's, the more I say that,
the more tears come out of that, the more

journaling has opened up from that, right?

So positive affirmations, they
don't necessarily have to feel

good but to do their work, right?

Yeah.

Love that.

Movement, journaling,
positive affirmations.

You mentioned gratitude.

Now my best friend and I have
had a gratitude practice where

we text each other three things.

We're grateful for every night.

We've done this for years.

Yeah.

And I am amazed at how
much it just shifts in me.

What has your been experience?

Your experience with gratitude?

Oh yeah.

Again, resisted it for a long time.

Thought it was silly.

Then I had to go, all right, fine, I'll
write down three things I'm grateful for.

And then it became five, and
then it became 10 really quickly.

And then I'm looking,
what can I write today?

Yeah.

And so again, it changes that reticular
activation system, we are looking for

the good so that we can share it with
our friends so we can write it down.

We're consciously focusing on a better
aspect of life than we had been.

That's the power of gratitude.

Absolutely.

Love that so much.

Andy.

I have two more questions for you.

Question number one,
where can people find you?

Huh?

All things me can be found
online@theandygrant.com.

Okay.

There's links to the podcast Real Men
Feel, my authentic AF group number

of books I've written, affirmations.

Another thing I love is
holotropic Breath work.

I've written, shared all my
experiences around that as well.

So that's the best spot,
the andy grant.com.

And I just wanna give a
shout out to your podcast.

I've listened to so many episodes.

You had one of the, one of my other
guests, Morgan Oaks, you had on

Morgan's one of my dear friends.

And it's such a great, diverse group
of people that you're chatting with.

I, I think that's so important,
especially for the men I know

will listen to my podcast.

You have so many people on there, it's not
just one type of person, and that's what

makes it so rich and it's award-winning.

It's such a great, greatly
done podcast, so I love that.

My last question for you, how
do you regulate, how do you

emotionally regulate yourself?

I have a daily, multiple daily
practices of journaling, of

meditation, of gratitude, of
movement, of creative expression.

Again the worst place to
keep a thing is inside us.

Yeah.

We, we are creative beings and
your creative expression can come

from paving, roads, carpentry,
gardening, writing, singing.

But create, express something.

Love that.

And I have daily practices
of all those things.

I meditate, I do rituals, I
journal all before I take on

any of the tasks of the day.

So it's at the beginning of the day.

Yeah.

To set your mindset up, set your physical
life up before you even start your day.

Yep.

And actually, so my my dog wakes me
each morning and we go for a walk.

So before I'm can even think I'm out,
I'm outside moving with the dog and I'll

start saying affirmations to myself.

I'll start sitting, will it?

What a great day.

And I'll start just I truly, consciously
connect with the light and invite more in.

Love

that.

And I will walk around and
I, bless love, love that man.

Love that house.

Love that car, love that tree.

And yeah, and again, that
what can feel like a grind.

Oh, I gotta take my dog out.

Oh no, it's raining, or whatever it is.

Bring joy, bring gratitude into
everything, especially at the start

of the day and can only expand.

Love that.

Anything else you wanna
share with my listers?

That are now our listeners.

That our listeners, yeah.

Sometimes the bravest thing
you can do is ask for help.

There's nothing that you might need to ask
for help about that help doesn't exist.

So I'm saying be willing to be wrong.

Please be willing to take up one of the
things shared today, be it movement, be

it journaling, being affirmations, but.

You are worth sticking around.

Like you

I love that.

Yeah.

And find some other men to talk to.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That is, there is a power C
community of all types has a great

healing power, but especially men.

And it doesn't mean, if your men's
group is sitting at the bar, drinking,

watching the basketball games and
not talking to each other, that's

not really what I'm talking about.

Yeah, you're talking about circling up.

Get connected.

Look each other in the eyeballs.

Hear what the other person has to say.

Be vulnerable even though
it might feel scary.

Yeah, be willing to be wrong.

The best things in

life feel scary at first.

There's a most worth doing right.

Yeah.

I appreciate you so much, Andy.

I appreciate all the work you're
doing and the lives are saving.

Honestly, your work is suicide
prevention and I don't think

that people say that enough.

The work you're doing
is suicide prevention.

So thank you for saving lives.

I appreciate you greatly.

Thanks so much.

It was a pleasure to be here.